The New Confederacy

[blue_zouave]

All right, I see the lay of the land here... I'm going to refrain from reading, let alone answering, any of these Neo Confederate rants. I'm here to learn about the American Civil War, not to fight a modern political fight.

Regarding Catholics, they as well as Jews were a target of the KKK. It's just too bad when somebody parrots what they have heard about people's beliefs without finding out what is true.

I am proud of ALL of my ancestors, Confederate and Union, slaveholder and poor farmer.

Zou

[Confederate Outlaw]

Originally Posted by blue_zouave

All right, I see the lay of the land here... I'm going to refrain from reading, let alone answering, any of these Neo Confederate rants. I'm here to learn about the American Civil War, not to fight a modern political fight.

Regarding Catholics, they as well as Jews were a target of the KKK. It's just too bad when somebody parrots what they have heard about people's beliefs without finding out what is true.

I am proud of ALL of my ancestors, Confederate and Union, slaveholder and poor farmer.

Zou

I am not parroting any beliefs of another. Is it not possible that someone could believe something without being told? Could you believe that Catholocism is the right religion because you were told to believe that? People are different and we would all like to be able to discuss freely our differences without reprimand or anger. I have Catholic friends and I assure you I know the religion as if it were my own. I choose to be a Christian in spite of what others may have me believe. As to your reference to the KKK; does my belief of Catholicism make me a raging racist? I love the Jews because Jesus tells us to. I don't hate Catholics either, but I don't agree with the idea we can do anything we want against the Ten Commandments and be forgiven by a man who is no better than you. I believe we should ask for forgiveness from God, who has the power to forgive. Would you go to a steak house for a loan from a bank? No you go to the source. Everything I have said about anyone here or their beliefs they have went on in response to me and proved everything I say. Keep talking my friend and we will see if I am right eventually.

[johan_steele]

Originally Posted by Confederate Outlaw

I am not parroting any beliefs of another. Is it not possible that someone could believe something without being told? Could you believe that Catholocism is the right religion because you were told to believe that? People are different and we would all like to be able to discuss freely our differences without reprimand or anger. I have Catholic friends and I assure you I know the religion as if it were my own. I choose to be a Christian in spite of what others may have me believe. As to your reference to the KKK; does my belief of Catholicism make me a raging racist? I love the Jews because Jesus tells us to. I don't hate Catholics either, but I don't agree with the idea we can do anything we want against the Ten Commandments and be forgiven by a man who is no better than you. I believe we should ask for forgiveness from God, who has the power to forgive. Would you go to a steak house for a loan from a bank? No you go to the source. Everything I have said about anyone here or their beliefs they have went on in response to me and proved everything I say. Keep talking my friend and we will see if I am right eventually.

Confederate Outlaw; this is an open forum w/ members of multiple religious groups and representatives from each political party. That means the gamut from radical Republican to screaming liberal. There are asians, caucasians, blacks & Native Americans here all have the right to their opinion, political belief and religion. No group gets preferential treatment or a free pass. I believe you have managed to step on just about every group of toes available on this site in less than 50 posts.

Please take a moment when posting and instead of hitting the "Submit Post" button use the "Preview Post" button instead and reread your post if it looks like it is going to offend please reword it.

You may have noted that one thread has already been locked and moved to the mod forum for review. I can assure you that Ami is not in the mood to put up w/ much right now and her tolerence level is considerably shorter than mine. I would hate to see a GI banned.

Consider this a friendly warning.

[unionblue]

Confederate Outlaw,

I hope you begin to see my point about being more afraid of someone imposing their religious beliefs onto others simply because so much harm can be done because of one's assumptions about a particular group or faith than the knowledge of it.

My wife is a Catholic, and I assure you, she does not ascribe to your view concerning that faith nor does she assume she knows all about the Baptist faith either.

No disrespect intended, but no faith, Baptist, Christian, Fundamentalist, Church of God, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Shinto, Budda, etc., has no call to be superior over another, in my own opinion. That would simply be another form of religious racism. I am proud my nation favors no religion, but allows each person to practice the faith the choose. After all, each person's faith is a private affair and as we all know, only you and God know what is in your own heart, as it should be. "Judge not, least ye be judged."

And with that, I will state once more, I am glad the Confederacy has passed away and is now only a historical curiousity, to be debated and discussed on boards and forums such as this. Nothing was lost except a way of life that was a source of continual shame and embarassment to the founding principles of this nation. I for one, have no problem remembering the brave men of the South who fought for their homes and families, but I utterly have nothing but contempt for the men who brought the CSA about and spent those men's lives as if they were nothing but minie balls in a musket.

GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA & LONG LIVE THE UNION.

Sincerely,
Unionblue

[larry_cockerham]

Before our host reads too many of these, I'd like to respond to Neil whom I've grown to admire and with whom I still have a problem on one small point. While Confederate Outlaw does have his own viewpoints, one of the things he mentioned that Neil still struggles with is the fact that when one of us with Confederate ancestry refers to that group of folks, attitudes and deeds of long ago, we're not taking the strictly political road. There is a love of the southland within us that is difficult for those who don't have that sensation to comphrehend and even more difficult for us to express. Neil, please relax your grip on the social issues and consider the angle of southern pride only as an expression of our love for our brothers, all of them. When I hear the melody of certain songs that we identify with our homeland playing in the background of some civil war era film, there is a warm fuzzy feeling. No animosity to anyone, just a love for the south. Yep, we lost the war, but the memory of the valor of the Confederate soldier, the privates, lives on.

[unionblue]

Larry,

I hope that I will be able to convey my meaning more clearly, as I do respect your opinion and value it highly. I have NOTHING against a soldier, a man in the ranks of the Confederate army. I have nothing against his courage, his bravery, his out-and-out stubborness to defend his land, his family, and his way of life. He and his need to be remembered, honored and never forgotten.

At least one of my Confederate ancestors charged with Pickett at the angle in Gettysburg and I have reenacted that charge on the actual ground and have nothing but amazement at his courage and guts in making that charge. I have no anger or shame at his courage and I am glad I researched and found out about him and his acts on that long ago July day.

But I also found out that he owned slaves and I am not proud of that. I can view it and try to understand that in his eyes and his fellow Southerners, it was not wrong to do so. In fact, I know that he inherited his slaves, but the fact of the matter he had them, worked them and considered them property no matter how fond he was of them or took care of them.

When I say I am glad of the Confederacy's death, I am glad that the attempt at making a slave republic in the Southern part of this nation failed. I have no sympathy for those who created it, who led those brave soldiers to defend it and who did so with the sole idea of preserving that insitution.

I am of the opinion if slavery had been restricted, as Lincoln and the Republican party had wished, keeping it from the territories, it might have given time to those in the South to reconsider and begin to face the idea that maybe, someday, the system had to die out. I admit, it is a small hope, but it would have been much better than the one those in leadership chose for the entire South, to include those brave men in the ranks.

I can't make it any clearer than that, Larry. I have much sympathy for the common soldier, because I was one, and I understand about serving your country, even if you don't agree with it's course of action. I have no symapthy for the Confederacy or what I percive it's goals were.

I hope I have explained it a bit better for you.

Sincerely,
unionblue

[whitworth]

They have a large state prison in Reidsville, Georgia that can house insurgents.

[larry_cockerham]

Neil, I'm in complete agreement with your last response and thank you greatly for the consideration. My point remains that the war was far more complex than slavery and the lasting spirit of the Confederacy hopefully has nothing to do with slavery. As a political institution, the Confederacy was not well thought out. You have very clearly stated such and I understand and agree wholeheartedly. I don't think you've grasped my attitude quite yet, but give me a little more time. The Confederacy means many different things to many different folks. Some of it is quite positive; that's the part we're striving to keep alive. "I salute the Conferate flag with affection, reverence and devotion to the Cause for which it stands". The definition of that term CAUSE is often misunderstood and is not well defined. We're working on it. The valor of the Confederate soldier, the guy in the trenches or open field who just showed up because he was ordered to do so or felt he was fighting for freedom from an invading army or just to kill a few yanks who were stealing his hay and mules. The Confederate spirit....... we need a press agent who can bring focus on our positive past.

[larry_cockerham]

I contend the old Confederacy was sufficient. No need to start more mess. Let us band together from this time and worry about the stars and stripes. Plenty of problems surround us that are more deserving of our efforts.

[ole]

Amen, Larry. The "New Confederacy" has every right to join that particular class I call radical kooks. I would, however, rather it didn't interfere with the common quest of most on this board -- discussion, debate, and learning.
Ole