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Yes, he is quite good at selecting sources to support his point of view. But what is the point he is making ultimately? I think that's a valid question and I make no apologies for requesting that he state his conclusions.
TW
__________________ "In this great struggle, this form of Government and every form of human right is endangered if our enemies succeed. There is more involved in this contest than is realized by every one." Abraham Lincoln - August 18, 1864 Speech to the 164th Ohio Regiment
I just wanted to comment on the $10/month and 1 ration per day given to contraband laborers mentioned in this thread.
For reference, when my father entered the US Army in January of 1943 his pay was $21/month. He was fed better, though. GI insurance was $6.60/month if you took it.
As to disease, well, along the way he had dysentry, Hepititis, apparently Yellow Fever, and a few other things. His company -- 192 strong at authorized strength -- lost over 60 KIA on Leyte and Okinawa, but their total casualties for the two campaigns ran to over 600 if you include the sick and other injuries. He was over 6' tall then, but I have a picture of him in uniform at 126 pounds after he got out of the lines. Lived on hard candy and coffee for a while on Okinawa because he couldn't keep anything down.
People die in wars, and many die from non-enemy action causes. Before the 20th century, disease wiped people out all the time in these situations. Union troops from Vermont were especially prone to things like measles, and died in droves.
Once again, Battalion, you've posted up things without adding your interpretation as to why they're there, leaving us to draw our own conclusions, as if it were obvious what you're trying to say.
With your latest post, then, I'll try to say what you seem to be saying, which is:
"Since there were some incidents of mistreatment of former slaves while travelling with the Federal army, then that conclusively shows that slavery, as an institution, should never have ended, being extended into perpetuity, because as I've clearly shown, the slaves were much better treated while in custody of their masters, and they would have been infinitely happier had they never been freed."
Is that your point? If not, then what is?
TW
Nope.....that's not it.......
The point is to expose the gross hyprocrisy of the North (both then and now) in claiming the war was for the benefit of the slaves-
USCT (Young men in good health)..........Deaths by Disease- 16.6%
Black Civilians in Contraband Camps (Old, Young, and Infirm. Far less supplied than the USCT.)..Deaths by Disease- 25% (est.).or higher?
The Federal government did not keep count of the numbers that died at these camps...the reason being...
...they probably didn't want anyone to know.
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The point is to expose the gross hyprocrisy of the North (both then and now) in claiming the war was for the benefit of the slaves-
Any of you Yankee sympathizers out there think the war was for the benefit of the slaves?
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...I was unable to find any "positive" story
I found one! It's called FREEDOM. I hope you're not claiming that they were better off in massa's cabins and fields than they were in the contraband camps.
Ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Then why did former slaves and their families prefer the conditions found in these camps as to the conditions they had left on the plantations and homes of their former masters?
Why did they continue to flee safer, healther conditions in order to indure the hardships you document here on this thread?
What would make a people do such, in the face of such documented dangers as you say you have provided, and continue to do so in spite of those dangers?
Ever wonder why such large groups of people were willing to risk punishment, recapture, even death to make it to these awful places?
I await your reasoning with anticipation.
Unionblue
PS I am curious if you can provide any documentation that shows the number of escaped slaves that were so upset and angry over the conditions they found in these camps, that they returned to their previous owners and locations.
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Shane, you ARE paying attention. Thanks very much for your continued efforts.
Thank You Larry; I am learning a whole lot of information in the process and I am quite appreciative that you have noted my consistant attempts to better my knowledge of the ACW.
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Shane Christen
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For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Eccl 1:18
Then why did former slaves and their families prefer the conditions found in these camps as to the conditions they had left on the plantations and homes of their former masters?
They did not prefer the conditions.
Please read some of the articles that I have posted.
Except for the first item (Jeff. Davis speech) all are from Northern sources...which btw bear out everthing Davis said.
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Why did they continue to flee safer, healther conditions in order to indure the hardships you document here on this thread?
Could it be they were unaware of what they were fleeing to?
Also, I believe, they were forced into these camps.
I am sure they did not want to be slaves.....
......but what good is freedom if you're dead?
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What would make a people do such, in the face of such documented dangers as you say you have provided, and continue to do so in spite of those dangers?
Ever wonder why such large groups of people were willing to risk punishment, recapture, even death to make it to these awful places?
I await your reasoning with anticipation.
Again, they were not aware of the conditions.
Read the documents.
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PS I am curious if you can provide any documentation that shows the number of escaped slaves that were so upset and angry over the conditions they found in these camps, that they returned to their previous owners and locations.
Read the documents.
As for Numbers...I have no idea. The Feds weren't keeping many numbers (as I noted previously).
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