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Old 04-20-2008, 01:36 PM
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The other title, "Black Confederate Soldiers," is one is backed by evidence through that of a historical eye-dropper, almost one lone individual at a time.
25th Tennessee Infantry, CSA

Anda Lawson
Enlisted 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Alex Scott
Enlisted as Private 26 July 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Rufus Harris
Enlisted as Private 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Jeff Bruington
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Benjamin Watson
Enlisted as Private 15 September 1861 for 12 months. Age- 55 years. "Colored/Free negro."

Rufus Worley
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

(7.) Churchwell Randalls
Enlisted 5 October 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."

New York Times, 27 September 1861

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Old 04-20-2008, 01:40 PM
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The other title, "Black Confederate Soldiers," is one is backed by evidence through that of a historical eye-dropper, almost one lone individual at a time.
25th Tennessee Infantry, CSA


Anda Lawson
Enlisted 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Alex Scott
Enlisted as Private 26 July 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Rufus Harris
Enlisted as Private 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Jeff Bruington
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Benjamin Watson
Enlisted as Private 15 September 1861 for 12 months. Age- 55 years. "Colored/Free negro."

Rufus Worley
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Churchwell Randalls
Enlisted 5 October 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

(8.)
Ab. Rickman
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."

New York Times, 27 September 1861

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Old 04-20-2008, 01:46 PM
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The other title, "Black Confederate Soldiers," is one is backed by evidence through that of a historical eye-dropper, almost one lone individual at a time.
25th Tennessee Infantry, CSA


Anda Lawson
Enlisted 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Alex Scott
Enlisted as Private 26 July 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Rufus Harris
Enlisted as Private 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Jeff Bruington
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Benjamin Watson
Enlisted as Private 15 September 1861 for 12 months. Age- 55 years. "Colored/Free negro."

Rufus Worley
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Churchwell Randalls
Enlisted 5 October 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Ab. Rickman
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

(9.) William Burgis
Enlisted as Private 18 August 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."

New York Times, 27 September 1861

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Old 04-20-2008, 01:52 PM
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The other title, "Black Confederate Soldiers," is one is backed by evidence through that of a historical eye-dropper, almost one lone individual at a time.

25th Tennessee Infantry, CSA

Anda Lawson
Enlisted 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Alex Scott
Enlisted as Private 26 July 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Rufus Harris
Enlisted as Private 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Jeff Bruington
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Benjamin Watson
Enlisted as Private 15 September 1861 for 12 months. Age- 55 years. "Colored/Free negro."

Rufus Worley
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Churchwell Randalls
Enlisted 5 October 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Ab. Rickman
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

William Burgis
Enlisted as Private 18 August 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."

(10.) Joseph A. Rickman
Enlisted as Private 1 August 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."

New York Times, 27 September 1861

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Old 04-20-2008, 01:56 PM
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The other title, "Black Confederate Soldiers," is one is backed by evidence through that of a historical eye-dropper, almost one lone individual at a time.
25th Tennessee Infantry, CSA

Anda Lawson
Enlisted 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Alex Scott
Enlisted as Private 26 July 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Rufus Harris
Enlisted as Private 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Jeff Bruington
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Benjamin Watson
Enlisted as Private 15 September 1861 for 12 months. Age- 55 years. "Colored/Free negro."

Rufus Worley
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Churchwell Randalls
Enlisted 5 October 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Ab. Rickman
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

William Burgis
Enlisted as Private 18 August 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."

Joseph A. Rickman
Enlisted as Private 1 August 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."

(11.) Sampson Alley
Enlisted 21 September 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."

New York Times, 27 September 1861

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Old 04-20-2008, 02:00 PM
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The other title, "Black Confederate Soldiers," is one is backed by evidence through that of a historical eye-dropper, almost one lone individual at a time.

25th Tennessee Infantry, CSA

Anda Lawson
Enlisted 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Alex Scott
Enlisted as Private 26 July 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Rufus Harris
Enlisted as Private 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Jeff Bruington
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Benjamin Watson
Enlisted as Private 15 September 1861 for 12 months. Age- 55 years. "Colored/Free negro."

Rufus Worley
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Churchwell Randalls
Enlisted 5 October 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Ab. Rickman
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

William Burgis
Enlisted as Private 18 August 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."

Joseph A. Rickman
Enlisted as Private 1 August 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."

Sampson Alley
Enlisted 21 September 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."

(12.) James Farley
Enlisted as Private 25 July 1861 for 12 months. "Colored."
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."

New York Times, 27 September 1861

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Old 04-20-2008, 02:24 PM
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25th Tennessee Infantry, CSA

Anda Lawson
Enlisted 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Alex Scott
Enlisted as Private 26 July 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Rufus Harris
Enlisted as Private 30 July 1861 for 12 months. "A free man of color."

Jeff Bruington
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Benjamin Watson
Enlisted as Private 15 September 1861 for 12 months. Age- 55 years. "Colored/Free negro."

Rufus Worley
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

Churchwell Randalls
Enlisted 5 October 1861 for 12 months. "Freeman of color."

Ab. Rickman
Enlisted 25 July 1861. "Free negro."

William Burgis
Enlisted as Private 18 August 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."

Joseph A. Rickman
Enlisted as Private 1 August 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."

Sampson Alley
Enlisted 21 September 1861 for 12 months. "Free man of color."

(12.) James Farley
Enlisted as Private 25 July 1861 for 12 months. "Colored."

-National Archives
All of the above named were mustered in to Confederate service...
...oh, and BTW, it's only a partial list...

National Archives-
"The 25th Regiment Tennessee Infantry was organized for State service August 10, 1861, transferred to the service of the Confederate States October 1, 1861..."

Information for those named was taken either from Company Muster-In Rolls dated 1 October 1861 (Confederate service) or Muster Rolls dated 31 October 1861
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."

New York Times, 27 September 1861

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Old 04-20-2008, 02:53 PM
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How easy under the one title to claim all blacks, slave or free residing in the territorial confines of the Confederacy should count as "Black Confederates" even the ones who did not want to be slaves, but were forced to, even the freedmen who were constantly under watch and suspicion by White Confederates.
Let's check some of the names inscribed on the African American Civil War [USCT] Memorial-

1st Regiment Cavalry, U.S.C.T.

Servant-
Joseph
James
Zach
Zoe
Johnny
Henry
Benjamine
Linlay Anderson
Uncle Anderson
Ulmstead Christian
Israel Grimes
Charles Hay
William Johnson
John Johnson
Dick Kellar
Benj. Lamsen
Henry Lee
Nicholas Longworth
Miles Moor
James Morse
Willie Powell
James Williams

Laundress-
Ella Copeland
Lizzie Copeland
Prudence Dean
Mary Eaton
Elizabeth Willard

...but as to what names they include...or not include...it's none of my business. And likewise, Unionblue (from Columbus, Ohio, with obvious Northern bias), why do you think it's your business who is counted as a Black Confederate?
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New York Times, 27 September 1861

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Old 04-20-2008, 04:42 PM
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All of the above named were mustered in to Confederate service...
...oh, and BTW, it's only a partial list...

National Archives-
"The 25th Regiment Tennessee Infantry was organized for State service August 10, 1861, transferred to the service of the Confederate States October 1, 1861..."

Information for those named was taken either from Company Muster-In Rolls dated 1 October 1861 (Confederate service) or Muster Rolls dated 31 October 1861
None of this is particularly unusual IMHO, most CS muster rolls contain a fair number of colored troops. For example E Coy, 7th Tennessee Cav in late 1864 lists 24 colored privates, whilst L Coy lists 14.
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Old 04-20-2008, 06:24 PM
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Let's check some of the names inscribed on the African American Civil War [USCT] Memorial-

1st Regiment Cavalry, U.S.C.T.

Servant-
Joseph
James
Zach
Zoe
Johnny
Henry
Benjamine
Linlay Anderson
Uncle Anderson
Ulmstead Christian
Israel Grimes
Charles Hay
William Johnson
John Johnson
Dick Kellar
Benj. Lamsen
Henry Lee
Nicholas Longworth
Miles Moor
James Morse
Willie Powell
James Williams

Laundress-
Ella Copeland
Lizzie Copeland
Prudence Dean
Mary Eaton
Elizabeth Willard

...but as to what names they include...or not include...it's none of my business. And likewise, Unionblue (from Columbus, Ohio, with obvious Northern bias), why do you think it's your business who is counted as a Black Confederate?
"Obvious Northern bias."

My business is to simply present what we both know to be true historical fact instead of trying to sneak it under an out-of-context desire to prove otherwise.

Again, no one has denied that there have been free blacks or black slaves who served as soldiers.

But the fact remains far more black slaves served as slaves, not soldiers.

The fact remains blacks were not encouraged on a large scale to serve as soldiers in the Confederate army.

The fact remains that the service of a small number of free blacks and black slaves does not negate, nor will it ever, the fact that the South seceded primarily to preserve the institution of slavery.

"Drip, drip, drip..."

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