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A statue does not equate into 50,000 to 120,000 black slaves fighting for the Confederacy.
The evidence to support such numbers is not there in the historical record. If it was, it has not made itself available to historians.
Produce the diaries, letters, ORs, newspaper accounts that remark on such numbers in any major Civil War battle, and I will listen.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Battalion has given a number of 5000 in the past IIRC which to me is quite reasonable
That's exclusive of the servant category.
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Do you forget so easily? You have repeatedly used the loosest possible terms to id Black CS soldiers and denigrate the service of the USCT at every opportunity. In fact you dedicated a whole thread to the premise. I leave it to better men than I to catch you in your distortions as they do so far more politely than I can. I grow weary of dealing w/ the same people w/ different names on various boards. The names change, the ideas and tactics don't.
...and so you cannot site a single instance of what you claim.
Par for the course.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
denigrate the service of the USCT at every opportunity.
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Originally Posted by unionblue
you seem to want to discredit the serivce of troops who served with the USCT
No, that's not the point.
The aim is to clear away the cloud of Northern propaganda and find the truth.
We have been taught by the supposed experts...that the USCT were all volunteers. That is not true.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
...lot of 'samsquaches' (Black Confederate Soldiers) in Tennessee. Ten here, five there, 12 t'other...after awhile it starts to add up.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Mississippi (1888)....................1739 (at least 5% of total) North Carolina (1927)................121 South Carolina (1923)...............328 Tennessee (1921)....................195 Virginia (1924).........................424 Total....................................2807
(other states awarded pensions to blacks though no special legislation was created)
* Less fraud with Confederate pensions than U.S. (pages 311-312) * Nine percent (over 100) of 1200 Mississippi applicants report being wounded under combat conditions (p.319)
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Re: post # 226, "Sasquatchs" editorial The editorialist states a "general" agreement that in the study of the humanities there is a lack of as "clear conclusions possible in the physical sciences..." but notes that "...,there are instances where the evidence is so overwhelming that, after careful consideration, only those with a 'perverse axe to grind' will not acknowledge it." The Editorialist believes that such is the case Convcening black Confederates.
Which of Battalion's fantastic beliefs, is the Editorial supposed to prove?
Which of Battalion's fantastic beliefs, is the Editorial supposed to prove?
What fantastic belief?
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
...lot of 'samsquaches' (Black Confederate Soldiers) in Tennessee. Ten here, five there, 12 t'other...after awhile it starts to add up.
Checked the link. It is to an editorial at North and South magazine that concludes with this paragrapgh:
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Having considered the evidence, I find myself regarding Sasquatch and black Confederates in much the same light. There is no credible evidence pointing to the existence of either. You can, however, read about a popular version of the Sasquatch (“Susquatch”) in HulkComic, and about the equally fictitious black warriors on a host of neo-Confederate sites on the blogosphere.
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Assuming that you posted this link because you wanted to show something you believed in, we must assume you believe what the editorial writer says, that the entire issue of "Black Confederates" is largely a pile of fiction. Is that what you meant?
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
Checked the link. It is to an editorial at North and South magazine that concludes with this paragrapgh:
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Having considered the evidence, I find myself regarding Sasquatch and black Confederates in much the same light. There is no credible evidence pointing to the existence of either. You can, however, read about a popular version of the Sasquatch (“Susquatch”) in HulkComic, and about the equally fictitious black warriors on a host of neo-Confederate sites on the blogosphere.
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Assuming that you posted this link because you wanted to show something you believed in, we must assume you believe what the editorial writer says, that the entire issue of "Black Confederates" is largely a pile of fiction. Is that what you meant?
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
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