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Teamsters could be hired contrabands (civilians) but there were others who were actually enlisted in the army...official designation Wagoner-
Ex.: Bibb, Emit 17th USCT Infantry Enlisted as Wagoner 30 November 1863.
Other non-combat roles were also enlisted-
Ex.: Atkinson, William 14th USCT Infantry Enlisted as Musician 15 October 1863.
Jones, Henry C. 14th USCT Infantry Enlisted as Under-Cook 15 January 1864.
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All wars have their REMFs, Rear Echelon Mother ****ers, and other support troops. All are trained to use a weapon if need be. Is every soldier in Iraq a front line infantryman? A professor once told me it takes 4 support troops to keep one soldier in the field. Also a hungry and ill supplied soldier is not a productive soldier.
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I can only confirm, as a native Washingtonian; that there was a Confederate Embassy not far off from Logan Circle, to which acted no different than a foreign government's 'embassy' which was 'their ground'.
Mr. John Hurley, decendent and the last President of the building had to give it up in 1993--taxes on the four floor townhouse mansion was too much.
I have been with Mr. John Hurley to the Confederate Memorial in Arlington Cemetery. In the memorial, there are Negro/Black soldiers in the relief along side Caucasion/White in Confederate States of American uniforms. It is in very bad shape--even in 1993. It seems it is a forgotten memorial, as well as the memorial to the Unknown Soldiers of the Civil War.
The Afro-American Civil War Memorial is located at 11 & U. Street NW, near *******n Hill Park.
I can only confirm, as a native Washingtonian; that there was a Confederate Embassy not far off from Logan Circle, to which acted no different than a foreign government's 'embassy' which was 'their ground'.
Mr. John Hurley, decendent and the last President of the building had to give it up in 1993--taxes on the four floor townhouse mansion was too much.
I have been with Mr. John Hurley to the Confederate Memorial in Arlington Cemetery. In the memorial, there are Negro/Black soldiers in the relief along side Caucasion/White in Confederate States of American uniforms. It is in very bad shape--even in 1993. It seems it is a forgotten memorial, as well as the memorial to the Unknown Soldiers of the Civil War.
The Afro-American Civil War Memorial is located at 11 & U. Street NW, near *******n Hill Park.
Sincerely,
M. E. Wolf
With all due respect to what Mr. Hurley might believe, there was no confederate embassy in Washington.
There are no black soldiers in the confederate memorial. It depicts a slave being taken along by his master. If you look carefully, the slave isn't carrying a weapon.
Artist Moses Ezekiel, who as a VMI Cadet fought at New Market and who created the Confederate Monument, wanted it to accurately depict the Confedercy. That a black appears on it is no accident but as Cash mentioned, he is unarmed (or there is no indication that he is bearing arms). A post war monument is not proof of blacks being enlisted as soldiers and not in some non-combatant role whether it be musicians, cook, manservant, teamster, laborer, who may have occasionally picked up a gun and potted a Yankee.
Thanks Hanny, but you can see that the chap is unarmed. He's been mentioned before in the discussion. Look closely and it's the soldier to his left who's carrying the gun. Even if he had a gun, it doesn't mean that he was a combatant. Slaves were allowed to arm themselves though they weren't supposed to fight.
BTW, if you subscribe to N&S, they may print my article on the subject. It's adapted from an earlier article published by The Company of Military Historians.
Slaves were allowed to arm themselves though they weren't supposed to fight.
And sometimes they were allowed to carry Massa's gun. A statue has about as much evidentiary value as Davis' apologia.
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Thanks Hanny, but you can see that the chap is unarmed. He's been mentioned before in the discussion. Look closely and it's the soldier to his left who's carrying the gun. Even if he had a gun, it doesn't mean that he was a combatant. Slaves were allowed to arm themselves though they weren't supposed to fight.
BTW, if you subscribe to N&S, they may print my article on the subject. It's adapted from an earlier article published by The Company of Military Historians.
I know thats the one you mentioned, i was looking at the other picture on the relif, one, with sword down leg, and women in head scarf as also being a negro, is he not?.
Thanks for the recomendation, i have enough reading material at present to be sure, but i have made a note of your article, hell ive not read this whole thread yet though!!.
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A servant would not qualify. To be a soldier you have to be mustered in as a soldier, such as every one of the USCT were.
Regards,
Cash
Two soldiers:
John Anderson
Company E, 4th US Colored Cavalry (Union)
Mustered-in as Bugler 31 December 1863.
Part of African American Civil War Memorial.
Included in the "180,000."
James H. Jackson
Company C, 2nd North Carolina Artillery Regiment (Confederate)
Mustered-in as Bugler 15 August 1861
Described on roll as "colored."
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John Anderson
Company E, 4th US Colored Cavalry (Union)
Mustered-in as Bugler 31 December 1863.
Part of African American Civil War Memorial.
Included in the "180,000."
James H. Jackson
Company C, 2nd North Carolina Artillery Regiment (Confederate)
Mustered-in as Bugler 15 August 1861
Described on roll as "colored."
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I agree both are soldiers. They must of had other duties besides blowing the bugle.
A male nurse, who took care of me in 1979, was a medic in Nam. After being drafted he completed basic training. Upon arriving in Vietnam he refused to carry a weapon in the field. He was not a coward so they made him a medic. When he returned stateside he became a nurse to this day. Was he a soldier? He never fired a weapon. He only saved soldiers' lives, while taking the same risks.
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