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About the only place that practices collegiate sports is Harvard. They aren't in the league with Mississippi by any stretch of the imagination. More power to 'em.
And Rice University in Texas. I love their football cheer, "That's all right. That's okay. You'll all work for us some day."
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Yet, why do you think the majority of Americans have come to associate repression and slavery with the Confederate Battle Flag and not the United States flag or the cross?
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*Northern lies mid-19th century to present day.
*Race-baiters need something to raise money by.
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Battalion, why do you believe the Klan so eagerly used the CBF? And why do you think they were not stopped by various CS veterans organizations?
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Battalion, why do you believe the Klan so eagerly used the CBF?
I suppose for the same reason they eagerly used the US flag.
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And why do you think they were not stopped by various CS veterans organizations?
When the kkk started using the Confederate flag (1950s) the veterans were 100+ years old and there were about a five of them.
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Do you know the approx numbers in the SCV, UCV etc @ the time? They were using it prior to that, at least in the 20's. As it is mentioned as the target of a batch of Black US Army boys who decided to take issue w/ a cross burning, w/ a water cooled M1919. Oddly the klanners left, can't imagine why.
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Do you know the approx numbers in the SCV, UCV etc @ the time? They were using it prior to that, at least in the 20's. As it is mentioned as the target of a batch of Black US Army boys who decided to take issue w/ a cross burning, w/ a water cooled M1919. Oddly the klanners left, can't imagine why.
Here's where some of the truth gets a little painful from a Southern perspective. Shane mentions in his post, the 1920s. Alas, the imperial or grand wizard (there are better names for him) of the klan in Georgia during that period was not other than Nathan Bedford Forrest II, the grandson of the first General Nathan Bedford Forrest and the father of the last General Nathan Bedford Forrest (killed in WWII). My point is that many of the klansmen and non-klansmen of the 1920s were the grandsons of Confederate soldiers. The Southern Cross to them WAS an American flag and a part of their heritage (as it is today). They weren't necessarily trying to scare folks as much as showing their racist, supremist origin. What's the difference you may ask. I'm not sure. I for one would have preferred the klans of that period and after never existed. Such is not the case. The Confederate battle flag was made for Confederate battle. It should be recognized as such and only as such. No more, no less.
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There's an interesting book out recently about the klan in the 20s, describing their recruiting and organization. It expanded to putting the hate on immigrants, and recruited heavily in the midwest. I'll look up the title. In our current anti immigrant hysteria maybe the KKK will make a komeback.
The trouble with the CBF is its association with:
1) Freaking nasty white supremacist groups.
2) Some of the state flags incorporated the CBF during the 1950s, part of "massive resistance" to desegregation.
3)The actual Confederacy, formed to protect, maintain and extend slavery.
There's an interesting book out recently about the klan in the 20s, describing their recruiting and organization. It expanded to putting the hate on immigrants, and recruited heavily in the midwest. I'll look up the title. In our current anti immigrant hysteria maybe the KKK will make a komeback.
The trouble with the CBF is its association with:
1) Freaking nasty white supremacist groups.
2) Some of the state flags incorporated the CBF during the 1950s, part of "massive resistance" to desegregation.
3)The actual Confederacy, formed to protect, maintain and extend slavery.
I could argue with parts of that, and probably should. So here goes.
I don't think there's a place today for the KKK, even as a scatterer of Hispanics. Many Hispanics don't need scattering. I suppose the same could be said of yankees.
The Confederate Battle Flag didn't associate itself with anyone. It was the opposite.
Many of the states share Confederate graphics because that's who we are and were.
That was one of the Confederate characteristics, the one most popular to you northern folks, and the one we Cornfeds are the least enamored with. The Confederacy and the southern soldier stood and fell for many more reasons. Those are the ones I salute.
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There's an interesting book out recently about the klan in the 20s, describing their recruiting and organization. It expanded to putting the hate on immigrants, and recruited heavily in the midwest. I'll look up the title. In our current anti immigrant hysteria maybe the KKK will make a komeback.
The trouble with the CBF is its association with:
1) Freaking nasty white supremacist groups.
2) Some of the state flags incorporated the CBF during the 1950s, part of "massive resistance" to desegregation.
3)The actual Confederacy, formed to protect, maintain and extend slavery.
Sorry Larry but what mckeon states in his post is all true. The CBF is guilty by association and it is just that simple.
I know you look at it with eyes form another time but that time has past and the CBF should past with it.
The CBF has its place in history and today it should be at Civil War events and southern memorials. Let it fade has the old confederate soldiers faded away.
Sorry Larry,,,
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