Civil War History - The Eastern TheaterDiscuss any and all battles, movements, and events occuring in the Eastern Theater here! This includes any actions in tha area east of the Appalachian Mountains in the vicinity of the river capitals of Richmond and Washington D.C.
There are some sharp minds and excellent writers on this forum, but I tell you, when EWC explains something, it becomes crystal clear in my mind, and I can almost see the events playing out. Always excellent analysis.
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John W.
If I may, JohnW, I second, third, and fourth your motion. (And don't stop posting -- hang in there.!)
DH Hill was hardly fit to give anyone advice. In the field, he was a generally ineffective commander.
More often than not Harvey's opinions were correct. He just lacked tact.
Hill was rarely on the losing end of a fight. Maybe he wasn't cut out for independent command but I don't see anything wrong with his record as a subordinate.
DH Hill was solid but certainly unremarkable. He was a failure as an independent commander. As a subordinate, his only action that can really be judged "above average" would be South Mountain.
Respectfully
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DH Hill could have done some real damage at Glendale if Jack had listened to him.
He did what he could at Antietam to rally the shattered center and I don't agree with DS Freeman's criticism of his conduct at South Mountain.
I don't think McClemmore's cove was his fault either. If I remember correctly he didn't get Bragg's orders of September 20th where the entire army was reorganized and he was supposed to lead Polk's attack.
Wasn't he at Bentonville too?
I don't know much about his operations in North Carolina to comment.
He, like Hooker and Rosecrans, just couldn't keep his mouth shut.
I think DH Hill's reputation has been maligned partly because he dared disagree with Bob Lee. I have always found this comment interesting: "They [Virginians] made me the scapegoat for Maryland and you [Longstreet] the scapegoat for Pennsylvania."
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DH Hill could have done some real damage at Glendale if Jack had listened to him.
A lot of folks could have done a lot of damage at Glendale if things had worked out. Old Blue Light screwed things up pretty well.
He did what he could at Antietam to rally the shattered center and I don't agree with DS Freeman's criticism of his conduct at South Mountain.
Antietam-like I said, average. South Mountain was pretty good.
I don't think McClemmore's cove was his fault either. If I remember correctly he didn't get Bragg's orders of September 20th where the entire army was reorganized and he was supposed to lead Polk's attack.
Not really his fault. But again, nothing remarkable.
Wasn't he at Bentonville too?
Yes, after he had been shelved and reduced to being a volunteer aide around Richmond. Yet again, he didn't do anything wrong...just nothing really worthy of note.
I think DH Hill's reputation has been maligned partly because he dared disagree with Bob Lee. I have always found this comment interesting: "They [Virginians] made me the scapegoat for Maryland and you [Longstreet] the scapegoat for Pennsylvania."
I would have to look at his criticisms more...the post war recriminations didn't leave a lot of clean hands...so there might be a lot of hindsight and revenge wrapped up in there. Knowing that he was shunted around so much, I doubt he would have been real kind.
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If I may, JohnW, I second, third, and fourth your motion.
JohnW and Ole- I'm just seeing this now, but thank you for the very kind words- Great minds think alike!!
JohnW- Are you practicing up your ANV command in "Gettysburg'? When my guys come home from school for the holidays, I'll see if they can't hook up an online connection for us to have a real Meade- Lee tete a tete. i'm looking forward to locking grips with a gosh darn living and breathing armed to the teeth Rebel! Even if i get my head handed to me! I'll get a hold of you once i talk to one of my boys about it. ed
__________________ 'It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag'
JohnW and Ole- I'm just seeing this now, but thank you for the very kind words- Great minds think alike!!
JohnW- Are you practicing up your ANV command in "Gettysburg'? When my guys come home from school for the holidays, I'll see if they can't hook up an online connection for us to have a real Meade- Lee tete a tete. i'm looking forward to locking grips with a gosh darn living and breathing armed to the teeth Rebel! Even if i get my head handed to me! I'll get a hold of you once i talk to one of my boys about it. ed
Ed,
I need to dig that game out and load it up. It will definitely be a blast if we can link it up and go head to head.
I want to reiterate again that I enjoy your posts very much, and I look forward to them. Your explanations are always clear and concise, without being condescending or pretentious. If you don't teach for a living, then maybe you missed your calling!
Best regards,
John W.
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JohnW- Thank you kindly sir! I do appreciate it. My significant lady keeps telling me that too about teaching because she thinks it would bring me joy. All I can think about though is a bunch of trenchant snotty nose college or high school brats making my life miserable, unlike you trenchant etc etc folks here. But seriously i'd have to work on honing those condescending and pretentious skills... No, just kidding, hehe, breathe easy matthew mck, ashley, ray, and you teachers out there. God bless and keep you all for the wonderful work you do.
__________________ 'It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag'
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