Fort Sumpter

[unionblue]

Originally Posted by ole

You've heard of dirty old men? I'm the original.

Second.

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[bankerpapaw]

Originally Posted by ole

Am feeling a bit silly this morning, so I'll indulge myself in noting that there is no "pee" in Sumter. Which brings to mind the ridiculous image of soldiers with legs stiff and tightly crossed.

(Just sharing.)

ole

Ole, I never really paid that much attention to the spelling of Sumter. I don't know where I got the
"Pee." Which reminds me, I've got to.

[ole]

And here, Banker, is where we get to have a bit of funnin each other. I will hope that you've been relieved and have only some vinegar remaininging.

ole

[bankerpapaw]

Originally Posted by ole

And here, Banker, is where we get to have a bit of funnin each other. I will hope that you've been relieved and have only some vinegar remaininging.

ole

aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

[Bonny Blue Flag]

Now that everyone is feeling relieved...

Just want to say:

- I like the name Bankerpawpaw.

- How do you pronounce your name, Ole?

--BBF

[ole]

Not like you'd say it in Texas, BBF. The name is not Spanish. It's Scandinavian. And it has nothing to do with bulls. Well, maybe just a little. Since time began, the men in my family were were Jens, Lars or Ole. No options. Father was Jens. His father was Lars, his Grandfather was Jens, his greatgrandfather was Ole. For some reason, his great-great Grandfather was Knute. Go figure.

Back to your question. It's O-lee. (But I will answer to Ken, occasionally. Mother was not into that traditional thing.)

ole

[diddyriddick]

Ole,

Here is a quote from my Norwegian Great-Grandmother referring to her sons occupation....

"Just when I learned to say 'job', they changed it to proyect!"

Thought you might get a kick out of it....

[M E Wolf]

[Hands out buckets of water, soap and cloth for the dirty 'old' men--young ones too]

[Hands directions for those needeing relief -- to the Ft. Sumter's outter wall way yonder as not to be anywhere near food, tents or jealous horses, mules and bulls that may look as someone relieves themselves.]

And--don't forget to wash your hands! [Smiles and readies for inspection]

Respectfully submitted with a lot of humor,
M. E. Wolf

[PvtClewell]

To all:

Thought I'd resurrect this thread (which got off to a decent start only to die, apparently, of urinary tract infection). I was prompted to do this after AmBu posted:

"No, only a underhanded attack by the North at Sumter."

in the Sovereignty of the Several States thread. So I brought it here.

I know we've rehashed this before about a zillion times, but I think it's always an interesting discussion. Besides, I can't wait for my latest lesson in revisionist history. The North attacked Sumter? It's own federal outpost? Please explain.

[M E Wolf]

Dear PvtClewell;

Always good to have CPR on a old thread and bring it back up for discussion.

O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME 1 [S# 1] CHAPTER I.
CORRESPONDENCE AND ORDERS RELATING SPECIALLY TO THE OPERATIONS IN CHARLESTON HARBOR FROM OCTOBER 31, 1860, TO APRIL 14, 1861.
CONFEDERATE CORRESPONDENCE. ETC.,(*)--#1
[WASHINGTON], January 2, 1861.
Hon. M. L. BONHAM, Charleston, S.C.:
Holt succeeds Floyd. It means war. Cut off supplies from Anderson and take Sumter soon as possible.
LOUIS T. WIGFALL.
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WASHINGTON, January 4, 1861.
A. N. KIMBALL, Jackson, Miss.:
No troops have been sent to Charleston nor will be while I am a member of the Cabinet.
J. THOMPSON.
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[FEBRUARY 2, 1861.]
Governor PICKENS, Charleston, S.C.:
Communication made to President last evening. It elaborates the matter contained in instructions, and incloses the original demand. Cabinet meets to-day. I shall leave on Monday evening.
The president, I think, will refer everything to Congress, and make his reply in his message. Letter from Barron received. Ingraham's resignation will go in to-day.
I. W. HAYNE.
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FEBRUARY 7, 1861.
Judge J. ROBERTSON, Montgomery, Ala.:
Hayne has returned. Prevent, if possible, collision. It is of great importance to results here.
J. TYLER.
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[FEBRUARY 7, 1861.]
Governor PICKENS, Charleston, S.C.:
Can my voice reach you? If so, do not attack Fort Sumter. You know my sincerity. The Virginia delegation here earnestly unite.
JOHN TYLER.
Why would John Tyler say not to attack Fort Sumter if it wasn't already in the works to begin with?
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[WASHINGTON], Saturday, February 9, 1861.
Gov. F. W. PICKENS, Charleston, S.C.:
The President says the letter to Colonel Hayne was designed to be both respectful and kind; that he read it, so considered it, and if it seemed otherwise he deeply regrets it.
The President desired me to say this to you. He complained much of Colonel Hayne's last letter', as Mr. Holt in his letter had no unkind intention, but the contrary. He manifested great solicitude on this point.
Will you give me an assurance that no attack will be made on Fort Sumter by South Carolina, provided the President will give a like assurance and pledge that no re-enforcement shall be furnished or attempted by the Government here? JOHN TYLER.
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FEBRUARY 12, 1861. No. 5.--A RESOLUTION in relation to the occupation of the forts and arsenals, &c.
Resolved by the Congress of the Confederate States of America, That this Government takes under its charge the questions and difficulties now existing between the several States of this Confederacy and the Government of the United States of America, relating to the occupation of forts, arsenals, navy-yards, and other public establishments; and that the President of the Congress be directed to communicate this resolution to the several States of this Confederacy, through the respective governors thereof.
Adopted February 12, 1861.
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O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME 1 [S# 1] CHAPTER I.
CORRESPONDENCE AND ORDERS RELATING SPECIALLY TO THE OPERATIONS IN CHARLESTON HARBOR FROM OCTOBER 31, 1860, TO APRIL 14, 1861.
CONFEDERATE CORRESPONDENCE. ETC.,(*)--#1
HEADQUARTERS, CHARLESTON, S.C.,
February 13, 1861.
Hon. HOWELL COBB,
President of the Provisional Congress:
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In the consideration of the question of Fort Sumter, I have not been insensible of those matters which are in their nature consequential, and have, I trust, weighed, with all the care which befits the grave responsibilities of the case, the various circumstances which determine the time when this attack should be made. With the best lights which I could procure in guiding or assisting me, I am perfectly satisfied that the welfare of the new confederation and the necessities of the State require that Fort Sumter should be reduced before the close of the present administration at Washington. If an attack is delayed until after the inauguration of the incoming President of the United States, the troops now gathered in the capital may then be employed in attempting that which, previous to that time, they could not be spared to do. They dare not leave Washington now and do that which then will be a measure too inviting to be resisted.
Mr. Lincoln cannot do more for this State than Mr. Buchanan has done. Mr. Lincoln will not concede what Mr. Buchanan has refused. Mr. Buchanan has placed his refusal upon grounds which determine his reply to six States, as completely as to the same demand if made by a single State.
If peace can be secured, it will be by the prompt use of the occasion, when the forces of the United States are withheld from our harbor. If war can be averted, it will be by making the capture of Fort Sumter a fact accomplished during the continuance of the present administration, and leaving to the incoming administration the question of an open declaration of war. Such a declaration, separated, as it will be, from any present act of hostilities during Mr. Lincoln's administration, may become to him a matter requiring consideration. That consideration will not be expected of him, if the attack on the fort is made during his administration, and becomes, therefore, as to him, an act of present hostility. Mr. Buchanan cannot resist, because he has not the power. Mr. Lincoln may not attack, because the cause of the quarrel will have been, or may be, considered by him as past.
[excerpt]
F. W. PICKENS,
Governor of South Carolina.
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[FEBRUARY 18(?), 1861.]
Governor PICKENS, Charleston, S.C.:
Kingman, known as "Ion," who corresponds with the Baltimore Sun, and is considered reliable in his letter of yesterday, says he has seen and read a letter from a former member of Congress from South Carolina, which assures him that Fort Sumter will be taken on or before the 4th of March, "without reference to what the Montgomery government may advise or order on the subject."
This startles the President. Will you quiet him by your reply?
The State commissioners will adjourn during the week. No result yet.
JOHN TYLER.
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CONGRESS, February 22, 1861.
Mr. Bartow, from the Committee on Military Affairs, reported the following resolution, which was adopted, viz:
Resolved, That the President of the Confederate States be requested to communicate, in such manner as he may deem expedient, to the governors of South Carolina and Florida the resolution of Congress concerning Forts Sumter and Pickens.
[Copy of the resolution above referred to.]
RESOLUTION in relation to the occupation of Forts Sumter and Pickens.
Resolved by the Confederate States of America in Congress assembled, That it is the sense of this Congress that immediate steps should be taken to obtain possession of Forts Sumter and Pickens, by the authority of this Government, either by negotiations or force, as early as practicable, and that the President is hereby authorized to make all necessary military preparations for carrying this resolution into effect.(*)
Passed February 15, 1861.
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WAR DEPARTMENT, C. S. A.,
Montgomery, March 1, 1861.
GOV. F. W. PICKENS, Charleston, S. C.:
Your letter to President received. This Government assumes the control of military operations at Charleston, and will make demand of the fort when fully advised. An officer goes to-night to take charge.
L. P. WALKER.
Secretary of War.
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HEADQUARTERS MORRIS ISLAND, S.C.,
March 8, 1861.
To the CHIEF OF STAFF OF BRIGADIER-GENERAL BEAUREGARD:
SIR: I am informed by Major Stevens that a shot was accidentally fired from the iron battery this morning, which struck Fort Sumter. Major Stevens was practicing with blank cartridges, and does not know how a shot got in. He does not suspect that it was put in by any man intentionally. Major Stevens is about to go with a flag to Fort Sumter to explain the accident.
I have to request that General Beauregard will forward this note for the information of the commander-in-chief.
I have the honor to be, your obedient servant,
MAXCY GREGG,
Colonel First Regiment South Carolina Volunteers
Commanding on Morris Island.
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Aiming in that direction for practice --sure would make me feel like I was the targeted mass; e.g. fort.

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Just some "Official Records" that proves long before Lincoln's administration stepped into position--South Carolina and the provisional government of the Confederacy in Montgomery, Alabama was like South Carolina 'eye balling' Fort Sumter.