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Perhaps Richmond chose to honor Arthur Ashe because he was local (at least I think he was).
I believe, but am too lazy to confirm it right now, the Confederacy held a normal election in November of 1861, so Davis was elected at that point.
AND talking of "Civil War Centers," was at the new one in Gettysburg last Sunday: quite impressive, well-laid-out, good exhibits, and so on. Worth a trip for anyone who hasn't been there in a while.
Scuzi, but isn't the Arthur Ashe statue separate from the museum?
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Ole - The Arthur Ashe statute is on Monument Blvd. It's one of the nicer neighbors in Richmond with beautiful, big brick houses on both sides of the boulevard.
Perhaps Richmond chose to honor Arthur Ashe because he was local (at least I think he was).
I believe, but am too lazy to confirm it right now, the Confederacy held a normal election in November of 1861, so Davis was elected at that point.
Michael,
Can you give me a source on this? I was always of the belief Jefferson Davis was selected or appointed, but that he never stood for such in a popular election.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
I searched the internet and indeed found that Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens were 'elected' to the offices of President and Vice-President of the Confederacy on November 6, 1861, in a general election.
I also note that they were both unopposed.
From the book, Look Away! A History of the Confederate States of America, by William C. Davis, chapter 12, The Power and the Ignominy in Richmond, pg. 343:
"Jefferson Davis, of course, ran unopposed for election as president under the (CSA) Constitution, and on February 22, 1862--with all the auspicious connotations that George Washington's birthday could bestow on the new nation--he took his oath and delivered his second inaugural."
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
I searched the internet and indeed found that Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens were elected to the offices of President and Vice-President of the Confederacy on November 6, 1861.
Not necessarily blue person, Davis was selected by the same body that had formed the Confederate Government. The president was elected/appointed by this body, not by a separate election. However dubiously the reps were installed, they, not the people of the "confederacy" appointed Davis president. NFW any southern citizen got to look at a ballot that said this guy or that one.
And if you ask me to provide sources/proof, I will have to send cousin Guido to look for you.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Not necessarily blue person, Davis was selected by the same body that had formed the Confederate Government. The president was elected/appointed by this body, not by a separate election. However dubiously the reps were installed, they, not the people of the "confederacy" appointed Davis president. NFW any southern citizen got to look at a ballot that said this guy or that one.
And if you ask me to provide sources/proof, I will have to send cousin Guido to look for you.
ole
ole,
Thanks for the above, but when I search the internet using "November 6, 1861" I keep getting all these hits that inform me Davis and Stephens were elected to the offices of President and Vice-President of the Confederacy.
So what I want now is a bit of clarification.
Did Davis and Stephens, even if they were unopposed, go through an actual general election? In other words, were their names placed on a ballot and did the people of the Confederacy actually get to cast ballots?
I would appreciate any information and sources on the matter.
(Cousin Guido is excused.)
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
The way I understand it, Unionblue, is that Davis and Stephens were appointed to the office by the people who were elected to serve in the Confederate Government. They were not electected by the people, but appointed by that particular body.
In a sense, they were elected by people elected to represent the people of the several states, but they were not subject to a real election of the people. No Charlestonian nor New Orleanian was asked who he wanted as president. The people they sent to represent them picked Davis and Stephens. They were not asked.
A couple of democratic steps skipped?
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln