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Old 05-20-2008, 04:15 AM
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Default Nathaniel P. Banks

I've been working on my web site for the last couple of days, and I've tackled mini-bios of the generals. I need some information on Banks, and I spent literally hours today searching the internet and can't find what I'm looking for. Maybe someone here can help me.

I think Banks and his wife had children. At least I've seen a photo of the general and his spouse with several youngsters which I presume are theirs. But while the information I've found on the internet and in the books I have which at least mention him and tell a little about his personal life, his marriage is documented, but there's not a word about their children. I even tried to find his genealogy, and came up with zero.

So, does anyone here know how many children they had, and their names? Or can someone direct me to a source of information that doesn't pop up on Google or Yahoo? I don't need their birthdates or extensive information about them.

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I can't help you Jules, but your brilliant decision to join this board will pay off within a short time. Somebody knows. Guaranteed.

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Dear Jules362;

I highly suggest looking for the "Official Records of the Rebellion" and do a search with: N. Banks, Nath P. Banks and General Banks. There is a lot to this gentleman than just a brief summary.

Name BANKS, Nathaniel Prentiss "Commissary Banks"
Born January 30 1816, Waltham MA
Died September 1 1894, Waltham MA
Pre-War Profession Cotton mill worker, lawyer, politician, US congressman, House Speaker, state governor.
War Service January 1861 appointed Maj. Gen. of Volunteers, commanded V Corps, was soundly defeated in Jackson's Shenandoah Valley campaign, commanded II Corps at Cedar Mountain, commanded Dept. of the Gulf, Port Hudson (thanks of Congress), Red River campaign, held no further effective command.
Post War Career US congressman, US marshal.
Notes : He was commanding officer during the Baltimore, Maryland 'uprising' and the arrest of the police commissioners and--perhaps responsible for the occupation of Baltimore City, Maryland in the vicinity of Fort McHenry (the home of the Star Spangle Banner); as there had been confederate sympathies expressed. Plus, being a port where shipping for the Union supplying Washington City (DC) as well as the railroad Baltimore & Ohio aka B&O RR which reached west to the mountains and up the east coast--a needed service to transport troops, horses, supplies, etc. His title was in charge of: Dept of Annapolis;
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GENERAL ORDERS, No. 46
AR DEP'T, ADJ'T-GENERAL'S OFFICE,
Washington, July 19, 1861.
I. Major-General Robert Patterson, of the Pennsylvania Volunteers, will be honorably discharged from the service of the United States on the 27th instant, when his tour of duty will expire.
Brevet Major-General Cadwalader, also of the Pennsylvania Volunteers, will be honorably discharged upon the receipt of this order, as his term of service expires to-day.
II. Major-General Dix, of the United States forces, will relieve Major-General Banks, of the same service, in his present command, which will in future be called the Department of Maryland, Headquarters at Baltimore.
Upon being relieved by Major-General Dix, Major-General Banks will proceed to the valley of Virginia, and assume command of the army now under Major General Patterson, when that department will be called the Department of the Shenandoah, headquarters in the field.
By order:
L. THOMAS,
Adjutant-General.
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HEADQUARTERS, July 22, 1861--1.30 a.m.
General BANKS, Baltimore, Md.:
Proceed to Harper's Ferry and relieve General Patterson, turning over your present command to General Dix.
WINFIELD SCOTT.

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General Banks was commander of Fifth Corps; under General McClellan;
Around April 1, 1862; having a tangle with General Jackson (CSA) near Winchester, VA.
[excerpt from official record-Battle of Winchester]
The officers and men of this detachment again elicited the official commendation of General Banks on the retreat from the valley of the Shenandoah. This signal party, as was the case of that commanded by Lieutenant Wilson, acting signal officer, detailed to the corps commanded by General McDowell, served with the army corps to which they were attached throughout the summer and until (in September) the threes in front of Washington were consolidated in the Army of the Potomac for the defense of that city.(*)
* * * * * * * * * *
Very respectfully, general, your obedient servant,
ALBERT J. MYER,
Signal Officer, Major U.S. Army,
and Chief Signal Officer Army of Potomac.
The ADJUTANT-GENERAL ARMY OF THE POTOMAC.
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General Banks also was in command of the defenses of Maryland, near Point of Rocks, Poolsville--so he was active for certain, in 1861 and 62. He was charged with protecting the C&O Canal and areas that would lead from Maryland into Georgetown/Washington, DC and or the Northern held portions of Virginia (Arlington, Alexandria, Fairfax, Falls Church, Vienna and Chantilly).

Banks was at the Battle of Kernstown, Virginia --the Union won the day.
WAR DEPARTMENT,
Washington, April 17, 1862.
To you and to the forces under your command the Department returns thanks for the brilliant and successful operations of this day.
EDWIN M. STANTON,
Secretary of War.
Major-General BANKS,
Mount Jackson.
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Reading the Official Reports--Banks was in many actions in the Virginia, West Virginia and Maryland area. [Ref. Shenandoah Valley Campaign]
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One also has to account that General Banks was tied up sitting in on a 'Court of Inquiry of General McDowell" for 62 days --(shesh), as a witness.
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General Banks also participated at the Battle of Cedar Mountain;
excerpt:
dgment of the country.
General Banks rendered most efficient and faithful service throughout the campaign, and his conduct at the battle of Cedar Mountain and during the operations on the Upper Rappahannock was marked by great coolness, intrepidity, and zeal.
am, general, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
JNO. POPE,
Major-General, U. S. Volunteers.
Brig. Gen. G. W. CULLUM,
Chief of Staff and of Eng'rs, Hdqrs. of Army, Washington, D.C.
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Then, he was engaged at the Battles of Groveton and Bull Run.
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And, General Banks then got entangled with the "Fitz John Porter" Court Martial --that took many days.
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So, there is a lot of information by reading these Official Records. I recommend www.e-history.com and do look at the maps if possible, as they may feature the battle's movements.

Hope this is of assistance.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
M. E. Wolf
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Old 05-20-2008, 09:09 PM
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Dear Jules362,

This was on my Internet response:

Nathaniel Prentiss Banks
(1816-1894)
Of the 14 Union officers who received the Thanks of Congress during the Civil War, Nathaniel P. Banks was the least entitled. Serving under five different party labels during his political career, he rose from a childhood job in a cotton mill in his native Massachusetts-which earned him the nickname "Bobbin Boy"-to become speaker of the state legislature's lower house, U.S. congressman and just before the war, governor. As a political appointee, he was named a major general of volunteers. His field career was rather dismal but his appointment served its purpose in rallying support for the war effort.
His assignments included: major general, usv (May 16, 1861); commanding division, Department of Annapolis (ca. May - June 11, 1861); commanding the department (June 11 - July 19,1861); commanding Department of the Shenandoah (July 25 - August 17, 1861); commanding division, Military District of the Potomac (August 17 - October 3, 1861); commanding division, Army of the Potomac (October 3,1861 - March 13, 1862); commanding 5th Corps, Army of the Potomac (March 13 - April 4, 1862); again commanding Department of the Shenandoah (April 4 - June 26, 1862); commanding 2nd Corps, Army of Virginia (June 26 - September 4, 1862); commanding Military District of Washington, Army of the Potomac (September 7 - October 27, 1862); commanding 19th Corps, Department of the Gulf (December 16, 1862 - August 20, 1863); commanding the department (December 17, 1862-September 23, 1864 and April 22 - June 3, 1865).
With no prior military experience, he was in divisional and departmental command near Washington early in the war. In the Shenandoah Valley he was routed by Stonewall Jackson and due to his tremendous loss of supplies was dubbed "Commissary Banks" by the Confederates.
As part of Pope's army, he was again defeated at Cedar Mountain by Jackson and was at 2nd Bull Run. After a brief stint in the capital's defenses he went to New Orleans to replace Benjamin F. Butler. His operations against Port Hudson met with several bloody repulses but the place eventually fell after the surrender of Vicksburg made it untenable.
For obvious political reasons, Congress awarded a resolution of thanks to one of its former members. Remaining in the Gulf area, he led the dismal Red River Campaign of 1864 and was then for a time without a command. With hostilities virtually over, be was returned to command but was mustered out on August 24, 1865.
Continuing his political career, until 1890, he served in Congress, the state senate, and as a U.S. Marshal. Congress awarded him a $1,200 annual pension. (Harrington, Fred Harvey, Fighting Politician: Major General N. P. Banks)
Source: "Who Was Who In The Civil War" by Stewart Sifakis

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
M. E. Wolf
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Dear Jules362;

I highly suggest looking for the "Official Records of the Rebellion" and do a search with: N. Banks, Nath P. Banks and General Banks. There is a lot to this gentleman than just a brief summary.

Hope this is of assistance.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
M. E. Wolf
Thanks for the suggestion M.E. I did bookmark a web site for the Official Records the other night, but haven't done any real reading there yet. I can usually find something on most things I look for on Wikipedia, including links to other sources on the specific topic I'm researching, but in the case of Gen. Banks there was nothing about the kiddies on Wikipedia or any of the links it listed.
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From the picture at:

http://www.archives.gov/northeast/bo...xhibits/banks/

It appears there were at least three children. It also lists some biographies of Banks you might want to check into.

And according to this:

http://www.nndb.com/people/080/000100777/

He was married to Mary Theodosia Palmer and had one son and two daughters.
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A little more:

There is an online biography of Banks at:

http://www.members.cox.net/rayhbanks/PAGE_LIST.html

According to the biography, there was a son (Joseph) who died in 1931 at age 76; a daughter (Maud) - a rather successful actress who died in 127 and another daughter (Mary) Binney Banks who died in 1906 at age 54.

Maud and Joseph never married. Binney had two children.
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A little more:

There is an online biography of Banks at:

http://www.members.cox.net/rayhbanks/PAGE_LIST.html

According to the biography, there was a son (Joseph) who died in 1931 at age 76; a daughter (Maud) - a rather successful actress who died in 127 and another daughter (Mary) Binney Banks who died in 1906 at age 54.

Maud and Joseph never married. Binney had two children.
Thanks much, timewalker. I copied the census sheet and bookmarked the link above...it looks promising.
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Why are my posts sometimes appearing twice? I'm doing something wrong?
Probably. But you have an edit button on posts you've made. Clicking it will give you the option of deleting the duplicate.

When you've composed your post and clicked "send" or "Post Quick Reply," it remains on screen -- leading you to believe that you need to do it again.
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