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Old 03-03-2008, 02:00 AM
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University shares its Lincoln letters online

Transcriptions, lesson plans and graduate essays accompany archive

The Associated Press

updated 1:19 p.m. CT, Sun., March. 2, 2008


ROCHESTER, N.Y. - Barely a year into the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln suggested buying slaves for $400 apiece under a "gradual emancipation" plan that would bring peace at less cost than several months of hostilities.

The proposal was outlined in one of 72 letters penned by Lincoln that ended up in the University of Rochester's archives. The correspondence was digitally scanned and posted online along with easier-to-read transcriptions.

Accompanying them are 215 letters sent to Lincoln by dozens of fellow political and military leaders. They include letters from Vice President Andrew Johnson and Gen. Ulysses S. Grant, who both succeeded Lincoln in the presidency in the 12 years after his assassination in 1865.

In a letter to Illinois Sen. James A. McDougall dated March 14, 1862, Lincoln laid out the estimated cost to the nation's coffers of his "emancipation with compensation" proposal.

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Paying slave-holders $400 for each of the 1,798 slaves in Delaware listed in the 1860 Census, he wrote, would come to $719,200 at a time when the war was soaking up $2 million a day.

Buying the freedom of an estimated 432,622 slaves in Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri and Washington, D.C., would cost $173,048,800 — nearly equal to the estimated $174 million needed to wage war for 87 days, he added.

Lincoln suggested that each of the states, in return for payment, might set something like a 20-year deadline for abolishing slavery.

The payout "would not be half as onerous as would be an equal sum, raised now, for the indefinite prosecution of the war," he told McDougall.

The idea never took root. Six months later, Lincoln issued the first of two executive orders known as the Emancipation Proclamation that declared an end to slavery. The 13th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified after the collapse of the confederacy, ending two centuries of bondage in North America.

"To be given a document that plunks you right into a situation that Lincoln was facing, it's very compelling," said Brian Fleming, a University of Rochester librarian who is heading the online project, which debuted Feb. 18 — Presidents Day.

Lincon official had letters

The Lincoln letters addressing the war, slavery and other affairs of state, are part of a collection of papers once belonging to his Secretary of State, William H. Seward Sr.

They were bequeathed by Seward's grandson, William Henry Seward III, who lived in Auburn, 70 miles east of Rochester, and arrived at the University of Rochester between 1949 and 1987.

The digitally scanned letters appear on the school library's Web site along with transcriptions, contextual essays written by graduate students and lesson plans designed to help teachers.

The archives are at
www.library.rochester.edu/rbk/lincoln


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Thanks Gay, for the article and the links. I hope I can find some of these letters. They sound interesting especially as they involve the compensation idea. If it had worked there would have been many lives and dollars saved.



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My thanks as well. Looks like that collection will provide fodder for many future discussions.

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"Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri and Washington, D.C."

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Thought about that myself, sam. But as it would derail the thread, I figured someone would start another about the proposed compensated emancipation.

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Blood had been shed there was no turning back to a bad idea like compensation for slaves. I get the impression the cost of the war surprise Lincoln which seems to have led back to this bad idea.

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Gay,

I cannot thank you enough for providing a link to this valuable resource.

This is mainly the reason I stay a member of this board, the contributions of my fellow members to historical sources.

Thank you again.

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