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View Poll Results: The North's opposition to Slavery In The Territories was based primarily on-
1. Controlling Congress To Advance Northern Interests 13 54.17%
2. A Moral Objection To Slavery 11 45.83%
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Old 08-02-2007, 08:50 PM
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"...The question of slavery is merely an incident of the real controversy. It is prominent and important because Slavery is the weapon which the South has used to compel that union of action which has enabled it to control the Government hitherto....The North denounces it partly on moral grounds, and partly because it has been so long made the instrument of their subjugation.

But the real contest is for political power. The great body of the people of the North and West have come to feel that the South has usurped control of the Government long enough--that the real power of the country rests no longer with that section...

...It is the fact of this control...which has roused the people of the Northern States to an effort for its overthrow....They cannot consent to see their interests made permanently subordinate to the interests of a section which has become inferior to them in population, in wealth, and in all the elements of political control. They assert their right, by every legitimate title, to the control of the Government--and it is this for which they are now contending..."

New York Times, 30 May 1860

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OzarkIronJohn,

It is hard to have fun with willful stupidity.

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OzarkIronJohn,

From you post #13 of this thread, you state:

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Yes they did get room, board, clothing, transportation, healthcare, training, job security and retirement and no it wasn't CHEAP labor!
A reply from someone of the time.

"We know, Southern men declare that their slaves are better off than hired laborers amongst us. How little the know, whereof they speak! There is no permanent class of hired laborers amongst us...Free labor has the inspiration of hope; pure slavery has no hope."

Abraham Lincoln, September 17, 1859.

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Default North's opposition to slavery in the Territores ......

Due to southern paranoia, the long history of Federal control of slavery, in the territories was in danger of being reversed, in order that more slave states could be created, save the slaves of the southern slave oligarchy.
Opposition to slavery in the Territories by the free states of the north, was the logical 'RESPONSE' to this naked attempt at power grabbing by southern slave owners.
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Due to southern paranoia, the long history of Federal control of slavery, in the territories was in danger of being reversed, in order that more slave states could be created, save the slaves of the southern slave oligarchy.
Opposition to slavery in the Territories by the free states of the north, was the logical 'RESPONSE' to this naked attempt at power grabbing by southern slave owners.
And what were the motives of the North?-
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Default North's opposition to Slavery in the Territories

To prevent Southern Slave Owners forming any more slave states.
Kansas-Nebraska Territory, Kansas-Nebraska Bill, Bleeding Kansa' etc., They are in the History Books, Look them up.
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In all fairness to our Confederate brother, I believe there was an element of keeping blacks out of the territories.....period. To be sure, the overriding sentiment was political: restricting slavery to where it existed--but it is a bit disingenuous to reject a hint or two of racism.

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In all fairness to our Confederate brother, I believe there was an element of keeping blacks out of the territories.....period. To be sure, the overriding sentiment was political: restricting slavery to where it existed--but it is a bit disingenuous to reject a hint or two of racism.

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That's why the question is incompetent. There were many reasons for opposition to slavery in the territories. There were many reasons for opposition to slavery itself.

Trying to reduce it to a binary choice when the record clearly shows multiple reasons is ridiculous.

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That's why the question is incompetent. There were many reasons for opposition to slavery in the territories. There were many reasons for opposition to slavery itself.

Trying to reduce it to a binary choice when the record clearly shows multiple reasons is ridiculous.

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"Northern interests" is multiple.
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That's why the question is incompetent. There were many reasons for opposition to slavery in the territories. There were many reasons for opposition to slavery itself.
Cash, ya'll have been sold a bill of goods, man. It ain't true. Neo-abolitionist modern day reconstructionists push this bull-hockey on US in order to perpetuate their lies and keep US from finding out the truth. They want US to think that the American Civil War was all about freeing the black man because it plays well to the sheeple. It sounds good. It makes Lincoln and his Blue Horde out to be heros. It's Bull-Hockey. They didn't care two hoots about the black man. They didn't care about the poor white trash they were killin' either. Slave Wages! Centralized Control in Washington. A Continental Empire based on Northern interests. That's what it was about Pard. That's what it is STILL about. Don't kid yourself, its STILL goin' on today.

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