CBF & Black Southerners (corrected)

[Ozark Iron John]

Originally Posted by ole

Nothing whatsoever is wrong with saying "sheeple" John. I know of the concept. But have you ever considered that you might be one of those led?

I try to cut my own path, ole. I know I'm a product of my upbringin; and culture. I grew up watchin' John Wayne movies and Underdog cartoons. I reckon I've read a lot more since graduating from three different colleges and an OCS military academy program. I don't go with the flow. I ain't a herd mentality guy. Sure, I might've been misled. I'm as susceptible as the next guy to their influences and distractions, but I ain't wearin' blue tinted lenses and I ain't afraid to see things from a different perspective now and again.

Sheeple, I don't think so. How 'bout you?

[ole]

Sheeple, I don't think so. How 'bout you?

Much to the dismay of my entirely noble and extraordinarily heroic parents, I started arguing when I learned to talk. (And if one give's credence to mothers, who tend to exaggerate, I could sing "You Are My Sunshine" when I was a year old.) Having learned the hard way that arguments with old country people can be painful, I internalized for 16 years. They were generous enough to allow me to live with them for another two.

I don't lead, I will not follow. I listen. I learn. And I argue. How 'bout you?

ole

[Dred]

Originally Posted by Ozark Iron John

Sheeple, I don't think so. How 'bout you?

The problem as I see it, OIJ, you assume just because we support the union cause that we are wearing blue tinted lenses. You have made your choice on your own based on your observations so you claim, and I respect that. Has it ever occured to you that we have done the same.. analyzed, deduced, and made our own choices based on what we personally believe? Beeing pro union does not make me a sheeple anymore than you beeing pro confederate (that may not be the right words but just bare with me ok? its not an insult in this case ) makes you a sheeple with red tainted lenses. Different people can draw different conclusions with the same facts, its human to be in disagreement, it doesn't mean we are blind.

Besides, how boring would this forum be if we all agreed?

[larry_cockerham]

Very boring. I'm a fence straddler when it comes to lens selection. Sometimes it gets a bit painful in certain areas. At least with pain there is a sign of life!

[cw1865]

Just as a note, while at Manassas National park yesterday I did not observe a single Confederate Battle Flag. I found that a little bit odd.

[larry_cockerham]

Could it be discrimination from the Park Service or disinterest from the Confederate interest groups?

[ole]

It might be as simple as there are no known confederate graves there. Are there?

ole

[cw1865]

I didn't see any graves of Union or Confederate soldiers on the 1 mile walk (perhaps there are on the six miles walk for 2nd Bull Run). There was a spot where Wade Hampton was wounded (he obviously didn't die there), but usually you'll see at the very least those tiny flags that are placed near cannons or near a monument and was very surprised not to see anything by the Jackson memorial there.

By the 'Hill' house there are some family graves of the 'Hill' family.

[whitworth]

represented the thirteen states of the Confederacy, states organized to defend and protect the Constitution of the Confederate States, a document steeped in the right to own slaves. Clearly a good reason to object to the flag.

Now, I'm for a display of the CBF since I'd want those who get a warm fuzzy feeling, to explain each star and when that state became unprotected by the Confederate government.
Within two years of war, there were many of these states, represented by the stars in the CBF, that were not occupied or capable of getting defended by a Confederate army.
For this, these states, and its residents, paid a severe price, so soon after secession.

[larry_cockerham]

Originally Posted by whitworth

represented the thirteen states of the Confederacy, states organized to defend and protect the Constitution of the Confederate States, a document steeped in the right to own slaves. Clearly a good reason to object to the flag.

Now, I'm for a display of the CBF since I'd want those who get a warm fuzzy feeling, to explain each star and when that state became unprotected by the Confederate government.
Within two years of war, there were many of these states, represented by the stars in the CBF, that were not occupied or capable of getting defended by a Confederate army.
For this, these states, and its residents, paid a severe price, so soon after secession.

Remember the Union flag, 'old glory', if you will, never changed. It went from 34 to 35 stars with the addition of West Virginia in 1863. The 13 Confederate states were still carried and displayed, same as if they were coming back to the fold, which they were and did.