It is interesting that the south fought a great and bloody war, to the bitter end and at the end of that terrible war, the only thing that really changed in the south was the emancipation of its slaves.
It is interesting that the south fought a great and bloody war, to the bitter end and at the end of that terrible war, the only thing that really changed in the south was the emancipation of its slaves.
On the contrary, post war,and it took awhile, the South finally got on the free labor train and as they did so eventually found that 'Northern Mudsill" labor was not so bad after all and built some darned good industries, etc..
They screwed it up, of course, witness Atlanta, GA., but generally have done OK.
Had the states separated, what progress under slavery do you suggest would have been better?
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All I know is that a result of the Civil War, slavery was abolished by the 13th amendment to the Constitution and is no longer a curse upon this nation.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
I'll have to respectfully disagree with that second sentence above. Slavery is, in my opinion, still a curse upon this nation.
Many a Southern soldier, though his efforts were assumed as an attempt to help the cause of slavery enthusiasts, certainly didn't necessarily intend for his vote of service to be used to meet that end. There were far better goals in mind. Defending one's home, constitutional rights, and one's very existence come to mind.
Some of my great grandfathers figured the Union was worth preserving and did their best to assure that happened. Others were caught up in the fight, not a slave in sight, just yankee bullets.
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Last edited by larry_cockerham; 12-21-2007 at 07:35 AM.
Exactly right, Sam Grant, despite the varied reasons of the common soldiers, the reason they were in the army in the first place was to protect a gov't whose very reason for existence was the protection of slavery. The success of the confederacy guaranteed slavery, whether the other 'varied' reasons of the common soldier survived the war or Not.
As you noted, the south had to get on board the free labor track, however reluctantly, 'Because' they lost the war meant to save their slaves.
The Union was 'finally' unified both socially and Economically.
The centrality of slavery to the civil war, was proved by the result of that war. The only result of the war was the extinction of slavery in America and because it was eliminated the Union was for the first time in its existence 'truly' unified.
The Confederate battle flag is like the sight of the Stars and Stripes flying at the ballpark or over the Capitol in Washington. Just does something to a Southern soul. A warm fuzzy feeling. No hate, just a warm fuzzy feeling. It's who we are as a people. St. Andrew would have wanted it that way.
The Confederate battle flag is like the sight of the Stars and Stripes flying at the ballpark or over the Capitol in Washington. Just does something to a Southern soul. A warm fuzzy feeling. No hate, just a warm fuzzy feeling. It's who we are as a people. St. Andrew would have wanted it that way.
Sorry Larry and Beowulfie,
I get no warm fuzzy feeling from this traitorous flag. I am only reminded that a group of misguided Americans wanted to destroy our forefather's great experiment of making a nation. This CBF flag should only be fly over Southern war memorials and regulated to history.
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I get no warm fuzzy feeling from this traitorous flag. I am only reminded that a group of misguided Americans wanted to destroy our forefather's great experiment of making a nation. This CBF flag should only be fly over Southern war memorials and regulated to history.
Nor do I, 5fish. But we are conversing here with some very good friends who might think differently about that flag. Keep a little love in your heart.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Have any of you been watching this whacky show? Its been on for, I think, two seasons now and I caught some episodes. The basic premise is that the country is torn apart by terrorism striking with nuclear weapons in 23 cities. The remnants of the US WEST of the Mississippi River form the 'Allied States of America' where they unfurl a US flag with VERTICAL stripes (as if any righteous American would EVER salute that piece of garbage!)
But the reason why I mention this is that the show implies insidious intentions with this new government and BELOW the sleeves of the soldiers of the 'Allied States of America' seems to be, of all things, the Confederate Battle Flag.
I get no warm fuzzy feeling from this traitorous flag. I am only reminded that a group of misguided Americans
We don't consider them misguided.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5fish
wanted to destroy our forefather's great experiment of making a nation.
Some of us consider the result of the Civil War as detrimental to the forefather's vision of America.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5fish
This CBF flag should only be fly over Southern war memorials and regulated ['relegated?'] to history.
We will fly the flag where we please.
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
I get no warm fuzzy feeling from this traitorous flag. I am only reminded that a group of misguided Americans
We don't consider them misguided.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5fish
wanted to destroy our forefather's great experiment of making a nation.
Some of us consider the result of the Civil War as detrimental to the forefather's vision of America.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5fish
This CBF flag should only be fly over Southern war memorials and regulated ['relegated?'] to history.
We will fly the flag where we please.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
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