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View Poll Results: Who is most responsible for the Civil War?
William Lowndes Yancey- foremost Southern fire-eater; 11 11.70%
John C Calhoun- d. 1850, SC nullifier & Southern rights; 13 13.83%
Jefferson Davis- Calhoun disciple, Confederate president; 6 6.38%
Robert Barnwell Rhett- Charleston Mercury editor, shrill fire-eater; 6 6.38%
James Buchanan- waffling outgoing Democratic president; 12 12.77%
Abraham Lincoln- incoming Republican president; 40 42.55%
Stephen A Douglas- Kansas/Nebraska Act & popular sovereignty; 3 3.19%
John Brown- Pottawatamie Massacre, Harpers Ferry Raid; 20 21.28%
William Lloyd Garrison- The Liberator editor, fierce abolitionist; 6 6.38%
William Henry Seward- irrepresible conflict, Lincoln's secretary of state. 2 2.13%
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Old 02-18-2008, 06:59 AM
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Hanny wrote: "Certainly, I think the South didn't plan this split well. I would have stocked up on supplies and have a more orderly plan in place before I'd split."

That type of planning and logistical support followed the Confederacy throughout the war. Fortunately we're a more or less united country today because of it.
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Does it mean I can feel myself as southern ?

You can be as southern as you want. The question is: Are you as southern as I am?

Check not the case Texas vs White., 1869, and is what the law of our land is about seceding, if don't know about it.
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Certainly, I think the South didn't plan this split well. I would have stocked up on supplies and have a more orderly plan in place before I'd split.
There were those in the south who cautioned against excessive haste:

Senator Clement Clay of Alabama......spoke for senators from the seceding states who thought that any clash between the federal government and South Carolina would be premature until the South had organized its own government and prepared for war."Days of Defiance," Maury Klein.

This was not long after Anderson's move, but it shows even then war was on the drawing board. And that planning was recognized as important.

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Yes, Nico, you may feel southern and you may sympathize with the Confederate cause, but you cannot be a southerner unless you've grown up in the south, learned its charm and courtesy, and acquired its superiority complex.

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Check not the case Texas vs White., 1869, and is what the law of our land is about seceding, if don't know about it.
Hanny has a different opinion about it in the other topic. I was reading it with great interest. We`ll see what he will write later.

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Yes, Nico, you may feel southern and you may sympathize with the Confederate cause, but you cannot be a southerner unless you've grown up in the south, learned its charm and courtesy, and acquired its superiority complex.
I thought to be southern you have to eat pork and cabbage, sleep all day and beat slaves all night. (that was said in N&S serial )
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I thought to be southern you have to eat pork and cabbage, sleep all day and beat slaves all night. (that was said in N&S serial )

Try some pig brains and scrambled eggs, with some red eye ham along with some Chow Chow then see if you feel southern. Let us know!
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Sorry, I didn`t want to offend You with my post. Just a joke.
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Sorry, I didn`t want to offend You with my post. Just a joke.
Oh no you did not offend me but try those southern dishes and see if you feel closer to your southern mind set.
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Well, of the choices given, IMO it would be Stephen A. Doluglas and his (too clever by half) Kansas-Nebraska Bill.
A classic example of what happens when amoral politicians trip themselves up, by playing fast and loose over moral issues (or grounded in issues, which have a high moral content). He see the land mine, but thinks it is only a hand-grenade.
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Dear List Members,

Not directed to anyone and or any post but, I really do appreciate some thoughts, comments, opinions and such--about the will/power of the people.

To take a huge side-step a bit into World War II, we see the rise of Cpl. Adolph Hitler to whom was judged negatively in World War I--and somehow, the population didn't really put their feet down when he started to rise rapidly up to create his Nazi power and go run a fear and bully campaign--using fear of others to 'control' the German people. They are responsible also..they could have fought the seeding of Hitler's plan--now, back to the Civil War...couldn't the gentry in these future CSA states put their feet down via vote and rein in the political 'drama queens' and 'fear factories?' Did the citizens really know what the politicians were up to and did the citizens make the choice and then had politicians speak for the will of the people?

Even today--I think the citizens are not really given the 'nitty-gritty' and what back room deals are taking place. Could the citizens have prevented the revolution/Civil War themselves or, had they been dragged in by politicians who spun webs to mislead the voting public during the pre-Civil War days?

Just some thoughts.

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